From morbius@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu Tue Aug  1 18:44:31 EDT 1995
Article: 199690 of alt.atheism
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From: morbius@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (Edouard Morbius)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: PROVE TO ME THAT GOD EXISTS
Date: 1 Aug 1995 21:35:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics & Astronomy, University of Pittsburgh

In article <DCn3FD.8Gy@fyi.net> mikeg@fyi.net (Mike Glenn) writes:
|       God is not responsible for the things mentioned above. WE ARE!!! The 
|Bible explains why we are resposible for all this. Becuase WE disobeyed God!
|Oh I know YOU didn't do a thing, so why are you being made to suffer for what 
|Adam and Eve did. Well to make it real plain for now, Adam and Eve were 
|perfect and they could not resist the serpent temptation, you would have 
|fared no better in their situation, and since you and I are the offspring of 
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|Adam and Eve we must bear the punishment for their sins, which is DEATH.  
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Wrong.

Deuteronomy 24:16
"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers:
every man shall be put to death for his own sin." 

So spake the LORD unto Moses.


|                                                                         God 
|does not enjoy causing His creations pain and suffering. Thats why He put in 
|to motion a plan to rid the world of sin. By sending His son to die on the 
|cross for our sins he saved us from DEATH. RETORT: "HEY WE STILL DIE, SO JESUS 
|NEVER CAME!". WRONG!!! 

his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to
his works. 
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming
in his kingdom."

The last of Jesus' disciples "tasted of death" over 1900 years ago. I 
wonder what could possibly be delaying him? I suppose the fact that he 
*does not exist* could be something of a hindrance, don't you think? 


|                      We do not die, our physical bodys die, and with them 
|our sin, but our spirit lives on forever with God. But for this to happen 
|comes back to the first thing I stated, YOU MUST HAVE FAITH, you must believe 
|that God sent His only Son to die a horrable death so that you would not have 
|to. For if you believe this God will work in you life and PROVE TO YOU THAT HE 
|that God sent His only Son to die a horrable death so that you would not have 
|to. For if you believe this God will work in you life and PROVE TO YOU THAT HE 
|EXISTS. All you have to do is believe, for if you do not this world will 
|comsume you and you will spend eternity in HELL!

Jesus is a lie, a mere myth. He is the invention of the "apostle" Paul,
who based him upon a jewish teacher ( let's call him Yeshua to avoid
confusion). Yeshua was a jew, not a christian. His teachings were for the
Jews. He may or may not have claimed to be "Messiah" but he probably would
have found contemptible and blasphemous the notion that he was the "Son of
God." But then again, Paul would have had to turn him into a god, because
otherwise he would garner no converts: no self-respecting pagan would
accept the teachings of a mere (dead) man when there were so many savior
gods to choose from. And so Jesus was born, and he has spread like a
plague through the minds of billions of people, and it is only in these
minds that he has ever existed. If Yeshua had had the misfortune to be
resurrected a few centuries after his death, and if he attempted to tell
the truth about Jesus, the loving church fathers would have condemned him
as a heretic and shoved a red hot poker up his ass. Mercifully, he died
never having met a christian.

|
|I'll pray for you!

In other words, you'll have an imaginary conversation with yourself. How 
useless!

|Mike Glenn

Edouard Morbius